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Before I begin, I need to make it clear that this thread might be somewhat controversial to some. I'm not here to offend. I want to have a sincere and honest discussion about the ridiculous situation I find myself in.

Let’s start with an introduction of my sexuality and experience of the gay community in my country up until now:

When I was young I was a relatively feminine kid, compared to other boys. It might have been due to the fact that my father was killed when I was too young to know him, and I grew up in a house with only a sister and an abusive mother - no male presence. Anyone with more than two brain cells could look at me and know that I wasn't going to grow up to be straight. In high school I used to wear eyeliner and black nail polish with purple skinny jeans. However, at the time, I didn't think of myself as gay. When I imagined myself in the future it was with a wife/girlfriend. In fact, I didn't give much serious thought to my sexuality, because my sexuality hasn't even developed yet at the time. Gradually, I started to make friends with more boys, and when I was 18 I realized that I wasn't straight. I experimented with another man for the first time when I was 21. 99% of the people around me were straight, so I pretended to be straight. On the rare occasion where I came out to someone, I told them I was bi.

Years later I was struggling to find work, and in an act of desperation I applied for a job at a gay bar. On my first day I found out that it was a male only sex bar and you could only enter if you were completely naked. I met a few people there whom I stayed in contact with after I quit a couple of months later. When I was 26 I started dating one of these people without telling my friends and family. He was much older than me, and has been "active" in the gay community for most of his life. Throughout our relationship I met new gay people literally every week for about a year. Now, I do not know much about the gay community in other countries, so what I'm going to tell you now only applies for South Africa - Of the hundreds of gay men I met in that time, 100% of them were addicted to drugs and alcohol, and the only thing on their minds were sex. I wish I were exaggerating, but sadly I'm not. This became a problem for me, because I'm passionate about philosophy and intelligent conversation. Whenever I tried to start an existential discussion with anyone my partner would become annoyed, and sometimes even aggressive. When I tried having intelligent conversations when he wasn’t present people gave me the “fluoride stare”, like they couldn’t even register what I was talking about.

And now, let me explain why I cannot come out of the closet in 2021:

In 2016 I was planning on coming out, but then something profound happened – I became politically awakened. I’ve always been anti-establishment, against the system, and opposed to corporatism, but I never realized how organized the matrix was until after the 2016 US elections. At the time I was rooting for Bernie (regardless of not being a US citizen), and I thought that Trump was a misogynistic, racist, homophobic dumbass, because that’s what all my favourite celebrities and YouTubers were telling me. When all of these influential people started repeating the same thing, I believed it without even questioning it. My curiosity got the better of me and I started to dig deeper. What I found was so overwhelming that I eventually had to separate from my ego and let go of everything I thought I was. For the past 5 years I have been doing rigorous research on social engineering, philosophy, politics, psychology, secret societies, spirituality, and everything in between. I’m going to share some of the conclusions I have come to that are relevant to this discussion.

One of the first things I had to educate myself on was Marxism (or communism) and the role of identity politics in establishing a communist system. I used to preach communist ideology, because in 2013 Russell Brand (who is one of my biggest heroes to this day) told me that “communism only meant sharing”. Sure, communist societies are always great in the beginning, but ultimately it’s about setting up a system where a handful of elites have complete control over the rest of the population. They use identity politics to divide people, so nobody is focused on the true enemy. Tell the white people that people of colour are dangerous, and tell the people of colour that white people are holding them back. Tell women that men are toxic, and tell men that women are crazy. Tell straight people that gays are disgusting, and tell the gays that straight people hate them. They use our egos and identities to fight amongst each other and forget who is truly in charge. I could expand on these ideas indefinitely, but the important thing here is that they got us to believe that regular people are our enemy, when in fact we have more in common with these people than those in power. BLM, for example, do not care about black lives. They never have. The founders are self-professed “trained Marxists” who just chose a very convenient name, because if you are opposed to an organization called “Black Lives Matter”, then surely you must think that black lives do not matter? See how that works? Anyone who calls them out for their true agenda and corruption can just be called racist and nobody needs to pay attention to them anymore. Similarly, Antifa is supposedly “anti-fascist”, but their actions tell a different story.

Another important factor is the role of media. I’m sure most of you are aware that all mainstream outlets are owned by a handful of corporations who work very closely with government and the CIA. This is not a secret. Both sides of the political spectrum are operated by the same people, who are using theatre to distract us by having you believe that your political party has your best interests in mind, and that once they get into power things will improve for your “tribe”. The truth is that no matter which party is running your country, they are working towards the same globalist goals. When the media pretends that they are fighting racism and homophobia, do not believe them for one second. They are playing the game of identity politics. This includes Hollywood and Netflix. In fact, Netflix was founded by a man from a family of social engineers, whose great-uncle was the master of propaganda and public relations, Edward Bernays, nephew of the father of psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud. These people have been manipulating our minds for at least a century, and their techniques have only become more sophisticated.

Finally, that brings me to the LGBT community:

We are living in times where propaganda and manipulation is rampant. We are at the precipice of a great war for humanity, and by the year 2030 the winners will have been declared. It’s a war between individualism vs. collectivism, freedom vs. slavery, us vs. the “globalists”. Most of us have already chosen our side in battle. Unfortunately, I believe that the overwhelming majority of the LGBT community have chosen to side with people who couldn’t care less about them. Social media has convinced us that if someone posts a rainbow flag, or virtue signalling word salad that they are an ally, and social engineers have used this to their advantage. Whenever someone dares to stand up to the narrative they are accused of being a nazi, racist, homophobic, or even a conspiracy theorist. They are censored on social media and banned to the point where no Google search can give you an accurate description of what it is they truly believe, because they have no voice on mainstream platforms. I can assure you that any result Google gives you about people who are fighting tyranny is extremely misrepresented and framed to make them look as toxic, crazy and unreasonable as possible. The algorithm is repulsive. The people that are being demonized in this situation are probably more tolerant than you will ever realize.

I am a gay man, but more importantly I am a freedom loving human being. I will die for you to be free, and be whatever you want to be, but what I cannot do is associate myself with a community where my ideas are misrepresented to make me look like a bigot – not during a time when these ideas are needed more than they’ve ever been in history. The world is full of people who are tolerant towards gay rights, but lacking in people who are willing to fight for true freedom. Until the LGBT community is willing to stand up to the powers that be I will never be able to say that I am gay in public.

Please give me your thoughts on this. Do you disagree with me? Let me know why. Let’s have a respectful, constructive discussion and try to see things from a different perspective.
 
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Axle2152

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Not entirely sure what all this really means in that you're unable to come out of the closet. I'm certainly not well studied in things like Marxism and so forth but wise enough to know that most things work much better on paper than they do in practice. When it comes to manipulating the masses and social engineering. Well we're all subject to all that, just as your educating yourself about these various topics.

Here's an anecdote that I think may relate. I do a podcast called Spiritual Gardening, it's not popular or anything like that so I only occasionally get requests from people who want to come on my podcast. I got a request from someone who wanted to talk about spirituality and all the sort of things that sounded like would make for a good episode. Well, he comes on and immediately goes into how the Earth is flat. He was even hostile when I not only disagreed with him and patiently tried to explain to him that there is no way that the Earth is flat. I showed him live satellite images, explain radio waves, and so on. He rejected it all of it. Not to mention that even with as much knowledge as I have, I am not prepared to make the argument that the Earth is spherical. At any rate, I never published the podcast because it was a waste of 2 1/2 hours of my time and he misled me believing we were going to discuss something cool, not that he was a flat Earther and was trying to push his distorted beliefs through my podcast.

People, including yourself are going to be hard pressed in their beliefs.

We are living in times where propaganda and manipulation is rampant. We are at the precipice of a great war for humanity, and by the year 2030 the winners will have been declared. It’s a war between individualism vs. collectivism, freedom vs. slavery, us vs. the “globalists”. Most of us have already chosen our side in battle. Unfortunately, I believe that the overwhelming majority of the LGBT community have chosen to side with people who couldn’t care less about them.

I think society has been subject to propaganda and manipulation since we stopped being nomadic hunter gatherers. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for the bad. I do agree with your assessment that we are often the subject of virtue signalling by businesses and politics who really could give a shit. However, I do think there are individuals in places of power that do. Understand that LGBTQ rights are where they are because people stood up, think of stonewall. LGBTQ rights would not be "fashionable" if people didn't stand up for them and I doubt that Smirnoff would be sponsoring a gay pride event in the middle of South Carolina (I went to the South Carolina Pride event a couple weeks ago). What I am saying is that the idea that the LGBTQ community has sided with people who couldn't care less about them is not true. If it were true we would still be in hiding and not discussing this on a public forum on the internet.

I'm not saying you're completely wrong however...

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There is a lot of virtue signalling from companies and politicians to garner support for themselves, so it is easy to believe that companies are just doing it for profit and politicians are doing it to get your vote and just conclude that LGBTQ rights are just fashionable. Even more so when shit like this happens seemingly regularly in other countries...


Whenever someone dares to stand up to the narrative they are accused of being a nazi, racist, homophobic, or even a conspiracy theorist. They are censored on social media and banned to the point where no Google search can give you an accurate description of what it is they truly believe, because they have no voice on mainstream platforms. I can assure you that any result Google gives you about people who are fighting tyranny is extremely misrepresented and framed to make them look as toxic, crazy and unreasonable as possible. The algorithm is repulsive. The people that are being demonized in this situation are probably more tolerant than you will ever realize.

What narrative? I hear that used a lot like "liberal media narrative" and so on, another I hear is the "gay agenda." Of course it sounds are ominous that way than "people who support gay rights and support the advancement of such." Yes, I do totally believe these companies are manipulating results which I don't necessarily agree on. However, I think we would probably agree that Google, Facebook should probably remove content derived from the groups of people who think we, those of us in the LGBTQ community, should be lined up and executed due to their religious beliefs, hate or whatever their fucking problem with us is. Censorship is a slippery slope and social media, the internet has given a megaphone to the biggest buffoons in the room and that can be a problem as we found out in recent years with disinformation and so forth.

I think what you are telling us needs more context. Who is being censored? and, why are they being censored? The mere fact that someone is being censored isn't necessarily bad. For example, this forum belongs to Mark Laymon, it is his platform and has control over the content. Has rules we're supposed to abide by. If I were to break these rules or if I called him a big stinky doo doo head, he might delete my post and ban me from the forums and that would be censoring me, right?

I am a gay man, but more importantly I am a freedom loving human being. I will die for you to be free, and be whatever you want to be, but what I cannot do is associate myself with a community where my ideas are misrepresented to make me look like a bigot – not during a time when these ideas are needed more than they’ve ever been in history. The world is full of people who are tolerant towards gay rights, but lacking in people who are willing to fight for true freedom. Until the LGBT community is willing to stand up to the powers that be I will never be able to say that I am gay in public.

What does true freedom mean to you? What ideas or views do you have that you feel are being misrepresented that make you look like a bigot?

I don't think coming out of the closet means that you have to be openly gay. For instance, I'm out of the closet. I have accepted myself for who I am, my family and friends know, but I don't openly tell strangers in public that I am gay, I don't put bumper stickers on my car or wear a rainbow cape. I'm pretty low key in that regard. That being said, I disagree with your last statement that eludes to that the LGBTQ community doesn't stand up against the powers that be which is very misleading because we would not enjoy the rights we have today, that I can get married to my partner, be out in public without fear that we might be stoned to death, shot, or set on fire for being gay. I don't think for a minute that I would be able to sit here and even have this discussion is the LGBTQ community just sat quietly. That being said, I think in order to have a deeper conversation about whatever these ideas you have that are being censored you need to go more in depth and give more context.
 
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Lindorm

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Yeah, I don't have the time to write heavily but "the lgbt community" period can't really influence anything for you.
Maybe your local community?
But the lgbt community at large can't influence you specifically anymore then any other extremely large group with no specific beleifs can.
Lgbt+ ppl are everyone who is lgbt+, not everyone who thinks 'x' thing.

Especially when that group is world wide- take Japan for example.

Japan has recently elected a prime minister that is heavily pro lgbt- the 'lgbt community' is overjoyed.
But that prime minister is probably only as far left as centrist- his party is conservative.

(My personal belief is lgbt rights is slowly being sperated from the normal right/left party sectioning, for various potential reasons. Another possible example is the various greys of Europe's lgbt rights).

Again, if you mean your local community thats different- something I can actually relate to sort of, as a major local lgbt groups of mine sort of rubs me the wrong way atm.
But the community period is far too broad.
 


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